Seeing People Through Jesus' Eyes

WEBVTT100:00:00.260 --> 00:00:05.460So he's telling me this story, he was wasted, drunk, high, and he walked by200:00:05.460 --> 00:00:06.700into this church.300:00:07.140 --> 00:00:10.840In fact, he was sitting with someone in the bar, I think I remember, and in400:00:10.840 --> 00:00:15.320this bar someone challenged him and says, if you just go with me, he said, I'm500:00:15.320 --> 00:00:18.260not worthy, if you just go with me, I guarantee you that Jesus will save you.600:00:18.320 --> 00:00:23.080So he goes in to this church, he follows this guy from this bar, and he says,700:00:23.160 --> 00:00:25.720both high and drunk, and gets radically saved.800:00:26.460 --> 00:00:30.780Welcome to the Ignite with Barry Meguiar podcast, where Barry's book and900:00:30.780 --> 00:00:35.180passion for spreading God's love are guaranteed to ignite your life.1000:00:35.620 --> 00:00:39.360Now listen in and prepare to have your life ignited.1100:00:41.340 --> 00:00:43.420Karl, it's always fun hanging out with you, brother.1200:00:43.720 --> 00:00:44.300It really is.1300:00:44.540 --> 00:00:45.820You always have all these stories.1400:00:46.000 --> 00:00:47.540You have more energy than anybody I know.1500:00:48.600 --> 00:00:52.800And always, always, always focus on the individual, the people that are around1600:00:52.800 --> 00:00:54.700you, where they're standing with God.1700:00:55.700 --> 00:00:57.780I think you don't know where people are.1800:00:58.280 --> 00:01:03.760We had this one, this is to me an interesting story, but we were sitting, in1900:01:03.760 --> 00:01:06.760fact, I was flying with Jennifer, we were going for some meeting, I don't2000:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.100remember, but we were sitting on this smaller plane.2100:01:10.200 --> 00:01:13.060And on the way there, I'm sitting next to a guy, and you know, we used to have2200:01:13.060 --> 00:01:13.940a friendly conversation.2300:01:14.160 --> 00:01:18.140It's just, you know, what we're doing, and you always get into a little bit on2400:01:18.140 --> 00:01:18.500the Lord.2500:01:18.580 --> 00:01:22.920And he's telling me, you know, he's sitting with a friend, and he kind of got2600:01:22.920 --> 00:01:28.420into a little bit of a holiness group, but he's like, we're going back to bury2700:01:28.420 --> 00:01:32.020some issues in his life that, you know, he couldn't serve the Lord, he didn't2800:01:32.020 --> 00:01:33.320feel worthy to be saved anymore.2900:01:33.440 --> 00:01:35.780I mean, he unloaded on the most crazy thing.3000:01:36.920 --> 00:01:38.140Why do you think he did that?3100:01:38.760 --> 00:01:41.620Well, I mean, I think that that's what religion is doing to people, and I, and3200:01:41.620 --> 00:01:42.220so we're...3300:01:42.220 --> 00:01:44.240Why did he feel safe in doing that with you?3400:01:46.240 --> 00:01:48.920I mean, we just loved on him, we talked about a little bit what we're doing,3500:01:49.000 --> 00:01:50.220and it was just a friendly conversation.3600:01:50.220 --> 00:01:54.140But for some reason, in fact, he and his friend, I think, tried to talk him out3700:01:54.140 --> 00:01:56.220of it, talking to me.3800:01:56.340 --> 00:02:00.300I'm sorry, but he's not going around telling that with everybody he's with,3900:02:00.380 --> 00:02:00.620okay?4000:02:00.660 --> 00:02:00.780No, no.4100:02:00.800 --> 00:02:04.340But he told it to you, and you touched on it lightly, but I don't want to go4200:02:04.340 --> 00:02:05.220past it too fast.4300:02:05.820 --> 00:02:11.400He sensed your love, he sensed that you cared for him, he sensed there was4400:02:11.400 --> 00:02:12.160something...4500:02:12.660 --> 00:02:16.560Somehow you connected with him in a way that other people have not been4600:02:16.560 --> 00:02:17.260connected with him.4700:02:18.680 --> 00:02:22.160In fact, there maybe was a couple of questions that I think we miss in most4800:02:22.160 --> 00:02:23.340interaction with most people.4900:02:24.000 --> 00:02:28.100Because God obviously has created all in his image, and sees value in them, and5000:02:28.100 --> 00:02:33.980a lot of times we, I think, we see past God's greatness in whatever that person5100:02:33.980 --> 00:02:34.160is.5200:02:34.220 --> 00:02:37.100They might not live it, but it's still there, right?5300:02:37.920 --> 00:02:41.840So the big question often, I think, is for me, how is Jesus seeing this person?5400:02:42.120 --> 00:02:46.560What potential is he seeing in this person, or this lady, or this person?5500:02:46.560 --> 00:02:48.040How does God see this person?5600:02:48.100 --> 00:02:53.520Knowing that God loves this person as much as he loves you, as much as anybody,5700:02:53.640 --> 00:02:54.440he loves this person.5800:02:54.760 --> 00:02:59.040I don't see him as wholesome, I don't see him as loving, but God loves him.5900:02:59.060 --> 00:03:01.040He sees a destiny, purpose, he sees some greatness.6000:03:01.040 --> 00:03:02.540Exactly, God sees all that.6100:03:03.040 --> 00:03:06.760And when we tap into that, that's a big point, Karl, that's a big point.6200:03:07.560 --> 00:03:09.780See people, you've got to get past the appearance.6300:03:10.440 --> 00:03:14.720Because a whole lot of people are not what they appear to be, that's a screen.6400:03:14.720 --> 00:03:17.840And then you have all this religious system, so I asked him a couple of6500:03:17.840 --> 00:03:19.860questions, because it was all kind of defeated, right?6600:03:20.320 --> 00:03:22.720He was this guy, and he had talked about his whole background, he had been in6700:03:22.720 --> 00:03:24.040rock and roll, he had all kinds of things.6800:03:24.440 --> 00:03:27.960So he's going back to Phoenix on this plane, and he's going back to do some6900:03:27.960 --> 00:03:31.220bearing of whatever he thought was bad in his life.7000:03:32.220 --> 00:03:35.280But he told me his testimony, I got him to kind of share what happened.7100:03:35.840 --> 00:03:40.700So he's telling me this story, he was wasted, drunk, high, and he walked by7200:03:40.700 --> 00:03:41.900into this church.7300:03:42.280 --> 00:03:47.080In fact, he was sitting with someone in the bar, and in this bar, someone7400:03:47.080 --> 00:03:51.140challenged him and says, if you just go with me, he said, I'm not worthy, if7500:03:51.140 --> 00:03:53.520you just go with me, I guarantee you that Jesus will save you.7600:03:53.560 --> 00:03:58.560So he goes in to this church, he follows this guy from this bar, he says both7700:03:58.560 --> 00:04:01.540high and drunk, and gets radically saved, right?7800:04:02.020 --> 00:04:03.140This happened earlier in his life.7900:04:03.160 --> 00:04:04.240This happened earlier in his life.8000:04:04.380 --> 00:04:08.420So then he ends up being cleaned up, he comes out of kind of a bad lifestyle,8100:04:08.920 --> 00:04:14.560marries this beautiful lady, I think, in a kind of church setting, and get in a8200:04:14.560 --> 00:04:18.920kind of religious holiness kind of setting that turns him into a life where8300:04:18.920 --> 00:04:20.640nothing you do anymore is good enough.8400:04:21.320 --> 00:04:25.720So now, 15 years later, whatever that is, 13 years later, he's going to bury8500:04:25.720 --> 00:04:26.600someone's past life.8600:04:26.620 --> 00:04:31.600So I'm talking to him, and I'm asking, well, why would Jesus see you're worthy8700:04:31.600 --> 00:04:33.840then, but not now?8800:04:34.440 --> 00:04:41.620So he had been close to God, but now he's not close to God, and he's feeling8900:04:41.620 --> 00:04:42.640unworthy now.9000:04:42.860 --> 00:04:44.160And you're saying, why?9100:04:44.880 --> 00:04:45.940God doesn't change.9200:04:46.880 --> 00:04:48.760In fact, he's so unworthy then, right?9300:04:48.920 --> 00:04:52.160He saw some incredible potential, and now you come to a place where you totally9400:04:52.160 --> 00:04:55.720disqualify everything you are, so you think now he doesn't...9500:04:55.720 --> 00:04:59.260Now when you're much better, you're married, you have kids, you're doing great,9600:04:59.460 --> 00:05:00.320it's the gospel of grace.9700:05:00.320 --> 00:05:05.820So when we share faith, in fact, even he become embarrassingly like, well, you9800:05:05.820 --> 00:05:08.340know, he started crying and, you know, wanted me to pray with him.9900:05:08.460 --> 00:05:10.540So it become embarrassing for Jennifer, I remember a little bit.10000:05:11.740 --> 00:05:17.900But it's a beautiful moment where I think this is part of the problem when we10100:05:17.900 --> 00:05:18.680speak to people.10200:05:19.020 --> 00:05:23.560If you just love people and try to see the potential that Jesus sees in people,10300:05:23.940 --> 00:05:28.720and not add a bunch of things that disqualifies people, I think the gospel is10400:05:28.720 --> 00:05:29.840so attractive.10500:05:30.400 --> 00:05:34.980If we can just get out of the way and share how incredible God's grace is for10600:05:34.980 --> 00:05:35.660people's It's good news.10700:05:35.720 --> 00:05:36.440It is good news.10800:05:36.480 --> 00:05:37.620It's the love of God.10900:05:37.660 --> 00:05:38.100That's right.11000:05:38.240 --> 00:05:41.960Why are we so reluctant to say, God loves you?11100:05:42.300 --> 00:05:43.860So we see everything differently, right?11200:05:44.040 --> 00:05:49.680I mean, the world, most Christians see it with all this confusion, and in fact,11300:05:49.720 --> 00:05:50.540it's just so simple.11400:05:50.760 --> 00:05:51.180It is.11500:05:51.380 --> 00:05:52.240It is incredible.11600:05:52.240 --> 00:05:53.100The love of God.11700:05:53.280 --> 00:05:53.880The love of Jesus.11800:05:54.180 --> 00:05:54.280Yeah.11900:05:54.480 --> 00:05:55.820No, it's amazing.12000:05:56.080 --> 00:05:57.360Well, you do that so well, Karl.12100:05:58.280 --> 00:05:59.080You really do.12200:06:00.620 --> 00:06:03.420I get to grab a moment with you here, right, Craig?12300:06:03.640 --> 00:06:04.740Absolutely, my privilege.12400:06:04.740 --> 00:06:05.980I have a special family here.12500:06:06.020 --> 00:06:06.700Thank you so much.12600:06:07.020 --> 00:06:09.640If you enjoyed today's episode, let us know.12700:06:10.000 --> 00:06:14.000And don't forget to subscribe, rate, and review to help us reach more12800:06:14.000 --> 00:06:14.340listeners.12900:06:15.000 --> 00:06:17.900Remember, sharing your faith ignites your faith.13000:06:18.460 --> 00:06:21.580See you next time on the Ignite with Barry Meguiar podcast.13100:06:23.100 --> 00:06:23.280Bye.13200:06:23.300 --> 00:06:23.400Bye.13300:06:23.420 --> 00:06:23.520Bye.