One Soul At a Time - Rod Martin Part 2

the more political Christians and I'm certainly one of them need to understand that a lost people will not maintain liberty. Period. They may manage it for a while, but eventually it always ends one way. Only a spiritually awake people, a regenerate people that serves Christ and it doesn't have to be everybody, but it has to be a lot of us if you don't have that eventually they're going to vote Welcome to the Ignite with Barry Maguire podcast where Barry's book and passion for spreading God's love are guaranteed to ignite your life. Now listen in and prepare to have your life ignited. Hi everybody welcome back to Ignite. My my new best friend Rod Martin who if you haven't read his stuff yet you need to that's how I got familiar with him again. Rod where do we go to get your your new speed? Go to rod martin.org and as I said in the earlier podcast just briefly we do end up analysis on geopolitical technological and economic issues you know with a global perspective but with a pro-American Christian worldview. So we're very intensely interested in the issues. We were talking about right at the end of the last podcast having to do with President Trump and what he's seeking to do in these next four years. We're also interested in things that you know people may not be thinking about yet like the military applications of Elon Musk's Starship rocket which are just extraordinary you're going to be able to deploy in a car or under division anywhere in the world and under an hour and there are all these different things that are happening in our world that the mainstream media is never going to pull together for you and if they did they'd lie to you about it. So come to rod martin.org and we'll cover it. This is looking at a world today succinctly I mean I can say it really do the eyes of a Christian with a biblical worldview yes a scientist if you if you will can you believe that but with that clinical textical mine is still coming to the truth of God perhaps even more so and and talking about our world today and it's a great newsfeed both from the there's something secular for us everything is everything is ministry and everything is about God everything is spiritual but we do live in a crazy world that's going in all kinds of direction day and God's in the midst of all of it and in our last podcast I was just suggesting to rod maybe you give us a little insight in some of how God is working today and how should we be reacting to be reacting against the body of Christ but we have to be very realistic about where we are as a country we have just dodged an incredible bullet and I don't know that we'd really be able to come back from it and the easiest way to describe what I'm talking about is just to look at our mother country the United Kingdom elected a socialist government last summer and it immediately crack down on free speech released like 5,000 violent criminals from its prisons to make room for grandmothers who protest or post memes I mean this is extraordinary the the French government actually the British government threatened to arrest Elon Musk the French government actually arrested the CEO of telegram and you know they're just cracking down on things we consider in alienable rights every day over there JD Vance did an incredible job at calling it out in Munich the other day and that's where we are we have a we have the left in America just in lockstep with and maybe about a half step behind where the socialist parties in Europe and in Canada and in Australia and New Zealand have already gotten we have our constitution to thank for that because it allows us to throw some sand in the gears so your activism really matters in America much more than it might elsewhere but the but the fact is the darkness has been in closing so you know for God to take this man who wasn't supposed to win in 2016 and you know that was just absurd obviously Donald Trump can't win and then he does win and not only that but he keeps his promises he puts the people on the Supreme Court he says he will he he said he would slash two regulations for everyone new one he actually slashed 22 regulations for everyone new one you know he actually cut taxes he actually is getting governments boot off the American people's throat and that's what the left can't handle more freedom is just anathema from a socialist mindset and I want to stress in our spiritual context I can't say it strongly enough Marxism cultural Marxism political Marxism however you wanted to find it critical theory and all of its subsets critical race theory radical feminism queer theory all of it are really just one big marketing scam to create an elite to rule you and they use your aspirations and your envy against you and then they end up in power and it's just like Reagan said about some of the countries in Africa yeah they got one man one vote but they only got it one time because once they elected those Marxists once they put him in power they never had another real election ever again so true so here we have four years maybe two but say say we have four years if you're not going to assassinate I pray for Trump continually that he that he stays alive he's he's a little bit cavalier out and being in place where you know that that's different subject but but basically we have four years Trump himself said these next four years would be the golden years for America and my pastor taught me by that right after it said they will be if the church wakes up yes yes we can we can clean the halls and we can clean up a lot of the mess but but none of that is spiritual per se it's certainly overlooked overlaps but the fact of the matter is we have a spiritual problem and it's deadly and most of our population going in the wrong direction and if we just sweep the house clean and don't fear where the spirit of the Lord there's a scripture on that it says the last day would be worse than the than the first the demon will come back with seven others more powerful and inhabit it I mean we're even even our Christians in in government circles today that are actually working but it's more focused on issues my problem my promise they're more focused on issues and politics which we need to be but but let's focus on and souls and in the day it's a matter how many people are getting into heaven if we have four years how many how can we get as many people in heaven in these next four years and that's how that's I don't know how it's going to play out but but we see a lot of successes but having nothing to do with souls you can you can fight for issues like fighting against abortion or whatever your whole life will be really successful but it becomes like your god and and at the end of the day probably nobody will end up becoming a Christian because of your efforts or even yourself you can do that even not be a Christian but we have Christians in the game and fighting but I wonder how do we get people to focus on the issues souls how do we get people in the in the midst of all the chaos and all the wonder and all the agendas and all that and I don't want to suggest Christians to get off the bench and into the game well not only are you correct but the more political Christians and I'm certainly one of them need to understand that a lost people will not maintain period I mean they may manage it for a while but eventually it always ends one way only a spiritually awake people a regenerate people that that serves Christ and it doesn't have to be everybody but it has to be a lot of us if you don't have that eventually they're going to vote for sin they're just not they just can't help themselves they have a sin nature it's in born it's who they are and if they don't turn to Christ and if he doesn't change them they're eventually going to seek that we see that in the polling numbers with regard to liberal white women who are just a disaster liberal white women characteristically are divorced they are upset at the world they're just angry about everything and they're mad at their dad they're mad at their husband if they have a husband you know maybe they're three ex-husbands whatever and they're looking to government to fill that hole because God made us in a complimentary way you know there should be one or more men in your life who are protecting you creating a forgive the term safe space in which femininity can blossom and you can become everything that you were designed to be as a woman and you know men men provide some useful services we can reach the top shelf and we can change the tires and you know we can we can take things on that are emotionally taxing for women and when they cast off the men they end up seeking sort of a pseudo dad or husband in the state and that's why we've got a 38% gap between liberal white women and the rest of the population when it comes when it comes to party affiliation they're overwhelmingly Democrat because they're looking for the Democrat party through the government to punish their enemies and reward their friends that's that's a terrible impulse and it comes back to exactly what you're saying a loss in much of this culture of the gospel and of healthy families that stick together and that prioritize their spouses and their children these things are inherent to the Christian worldview and they are anathema to the socialist worldview and always have been there's no accident in the fact that one of the very first things Lenin did when he took over Russia and made it the Soviet Union one of the first things he did was abolish marriage and it didn't work people actually want to stay married and they got really upset about it and that's part of why you had the Russian civil war but so they kind of had to peel back off of that but everything they did was aimed at atomizing individuals because if you don't have any supporting institutions and virtuous relationships the only thing between this well actually there's nothing in between the state and you and the state is huge and you are nothing so you become a cog in the machine and you do it voluntarily it's really horrifying it's a satanic way of organizing the world here it is and I keep thinking where's the church you know we have a president who's doing some great things you know he was surrounded by ladies when he signed in the executive order keeping men out of women's sports where was the church and our our our our purpose for silence where's the church in these issues they're not political they're god and they're scriptural you know the church is so I take from that to the next step and I'd like to get a little more of that really personal standpoint you're you're a scientist and you Paul you have all that knowledge but your personal satisfaction I know it's from coming living for god and impacting people on a personal basis and how do we get how do we ignite Christians you know our our goers ignite Christians yes to ignite America revival one person at a time it's the only it's going to work the world's lost they're not going to church they're lost they're there issues for being all those crazy things they're lost they're excuse and they're going to stay lost until a Christian we come to them and explain to them God loves them we're not doing that uh something in the air what percent of us are doing that so the real challenge for in these next four years how do we ignite the church we could have revival you know 70 for 80 percent of the end church already have a friend in their life that they trust who's a Christian we already have the influence we're just not using our end of us we're saying they're quietly and I want to sit back in our armchair Trump's got it now and I can relax and say this is our moment this is our moment let's just go for it and just move everybody every day closer to Jesus we can do this well what's it going to take I mean you're doing it yourself but I want to hear about that but also how do we get more people doing it I know that's that's that's the cry of our heart well the good news is that the decline in Christianity in this country has finally halted and stabilized you know we were losing a large number of people from the church for 25 years into the category the posters called the nuns by which they mean no religious affiliation yeah and that has finally halted we've had five years of stability and and possibly in a swing it's it's a little early to say but but the encouraging part of that is you know what I was describing earlier about the just the horrifying effects of liberalism of socialism on women especially have really hit their apogee in Gen Z which is just a horrifying topic that maybe we can discuss another time but the net result of it has been that Gen Z men are becoming quite conservative and they're returning to church which is amazing we actually have slightly more Gen Z men in church than women which is probably about the first time in 300 years anything like that has happened so so we're seeing some positive things and of course it's exactly as you would expect and it's exactly why we reelected Trump you know okay we tried it the other way that was a complete disaster let's do what we knew work and you probably remember Rudyard Kipling's point the gods of the copy book headings and and the whole idea is that you know everything's going along great and then people kind of give up virtue they kind of indulge their lusts whether it's sexual or something completely different and and the the money point is but the gods of the copy book headings with terror and slaughter return you know because you can't get away from these things any more than you can get away from gravity if if I go out and I sleep around I blow up my family if I go out and I rob a bank I probably get shot I probably go to prison you know bad things happen and likewise if I jump off my balcony bad things are going to happen but the moral laws are no less intrinsic to the fabric of the universe than the physical laws are because there's one designer and and so the the fact that we have messed that up for so long has encouraged I think from from what we can see the beginnings of a revival in our youngest generation and we're seeing effects of that in a lot of places and I just give you as one example Miami which 15 years ago was the second most unchurched metropolitan area in the United States despite a lot of nominal Catholicism there's didn't attend they just weren't involved and over the last 15 years we have seen a 13 point swing toward active Christianity in in that area that's an extraordinary difference and and we had a little to do with that I mean the Southern Baptist had put a lot of effort into that Florida Baptist conventions put a lot of effort to that but of course that's really just a work of God and it has incredible consequences at every level of society you you said and I'll I'll hush after this but you said at one point you know some Christians get really political and that ends up being their God yes some do and I can name a few and so can you but but that doesn't have to be that way you know what needs to be is a submission to Christ that actually informs everything you do in every area and it's never going to do that perfectly but if Christ is the center think of it as the Copernican revolution you know I'm not at the center of the solar system the sun is in this case SO and and if he's at the center then if I'm doing politics I want to do it Christianly you know if I'm doing business I want to do it Christianly if I'm doing charity I want to do it Christianly because I want to give glory to Christ yeah well uh you were like this I spoke in December and a fabulous a fabulous group of people is the National Association for Christian lawmakers okay and I got up but I said so what is it you mean what's your mission every day uh passing legislation putting people in place getting righteous laws all that but but but is that your mission I mean think about what you're doing here and then I keep back to him in this Florida I said I gotta tell you you're not Christian lawmakers it's the name of their organization I said I'm on the National Advisory Board of that organization in fact what's that I'm on the National Advisory Board of that organization I love them I was I was playing with them a little bit of course because I said you know and but that's why I got every eye in the room and there's senators and congressmen and governors or whatever I got every eye I mean I had it I knew I would but I said that I said you know Christian is not an adjective it's who you are you're Christian you're a lawmaker Christian but in the midst of all those battles you're in one of the darkest places in America the the lists of the the charges against senators and congressmen goes on and you look at he says is that the NFL or is that the NBA know it's our congressman and you have to fight that battle every time but if you if you instead say this is an opportunity and you start fighting for souls first and foremost you're there as a Christian to bring people over to our side and then you won't have to convince them anymore because the skills we take off their rights and they'll vote rightly you're you're you're wherever we are we're Christian first it's about souls nothing else matters when we get to heaven I got a matter of what legislation we passed this year or anything else or Hummy Ball is a car accident soul none of that matters the only thing matters is how many people didn't believe to the to the so Rod if we can go from the macro to the to the micro for a minute so much you do it has huge audiences but just on that personal base we have all those signs we're going through life I mean uh that's where you have some real fun just doing it on a personal basis and and making a difference in people's lives and sharing guys love can you can you talk a little bit about that on that before we're gonna we're gonna run out of time I don't want to miss that that part of Rod Martin well in line with what we've been discussing you know if you if you really believe if you really love Jesus Christ then you care about his word and you care about what's in it so you don't steal whether you're a government official stealing from people through taxes and fees and printing money and all the things they do or whether you're talking about you know treating your employees right or treating your employer right if you're an employee I mean there are a thousand ways that we apply the moral teaching of scripture and that's worthy of many discussions you know the scripture speaks to tax policy it speaks to conscription it speaks to property rights all kinds of things that we don't normally think about so to answer your prior question you know how do we ignite the church we get them in the bible the more time they spend in the bible the better off they'll be and the more they are like Christ the more society will improve it's it's it's so true it's so true and we often say and remind people everything you say in new everything from the time you get in the orange the time you go to bed everything you say new is moving people closer to God or further away from God and that's a game changer for all of us that's why he said if you love me and love your neighbors yourself it says fights all the law not out of legalism not out of wrote trying to be be lawful when to do everything God wants to do but just out of the pure joy of meeting people in the Jesus Christ and that's what this ministry is all about ignite everybody move everybody every day closer to Jesus you're doing that it's such a huge way right I so appreciate you and I'm one of your braving fans and maybe get a few more people to come along with us because this podcast God bless you my friend and we'll see all of you next time if you enjoyed today's episode let us know and don't forget to subscribe rate and review to help us reach more listeners remember sharing your faith ignites your faith see you next time on the ignite with Barry McGuire podcast