Just Say Something!

00:00 - Speaker 1And then all of a sudden, they start warming up and the Uber driver is crying when we get out at the airport, hugging us and showing pictures of the family, and we're worshiping the Lord, saved or not saved. It is amazing when you do that. 00:15 - Speaker 2In our entire marriage life, when we come home at the end of the day, the most exciting days are like when we actually see Christ walk someone across his life and we get to be there. 00:27 - Speaker 3Welcome to the Ignite with Barry McGuire podcast, where Barry's book and passion for spreading God's love are guaranteed to ignite your life. Now listen in and prepare to have your life ignited. 00:43 - Speaker 4Hi everybody, welcome back to Ignite. I have some special friends with you. You might think that we've been friends for a lot of years. This is how God works when he brings his children together that are like-minded, that have the same love, have the same passion. I'm talking about Dr Scott and Pam Pyle. They're precious people who are not living next to me, they live on the other side. I'm on the West Coast. They're one of the some of the East Coast guys and but we met at Grand Canyon University. They were having a business couples conference and speaking to students and boy guys. It was like for the first conversation on, we kind of forgot about everybody else. We were having so much fun. 01:29 - Speaker 1So true. 01:30 - Speaker 4It's amazing how that happens. But tell a little bit about your wife, give a little position so everybody knows who you are and where you're coming from. 01:39 - Speaker 1Yeah, so we are a dynamic duo. You are, she's a retired doctor, now author. We own a handful of companies. 01:46 - Speaker 4You're having a duo you are. 01:47 - Speaker 1She's a retired doctor, now author. We own a handful of companies. You're having a book signing coming up Book she just did at Museum of the Bible. She just had a big launch at the museum Her book is anticipating. 01:55 - Speaker 4We'll worry about dates because I don't want to date this. This will go on for years and years, but she had a book signing coming out at Museum of the Bible. 02:00 - Speaker 1That's awesome museum in the Biowa. That's awesome, yeah, and it's awesome, it was amazing, yeah, she's doing a great job, and so, and then I own a financial services firm and we own parts of other companies, and about nine years ago, when I turned 50, we decided that we were going to continue to grow, to give, and that God wanted us to keep these economic engines going so we can put it back into the kingdom of God. And so we really are. I mean tag team. 02:29 - Speaker 4Okay, talk before that. Leading up to that moment in your life, can you give us a little snapshot of what that was like? 02:37 - Speaker 1Oh, wow, yeah, we both got married for all the wrong reasons. We weren't saved, we didn't know the Lord and what. 02:46 - Speaker 2I love to tell this story because we truly. It was a rapid courtship and he was the wild and crazy guy that I had never been around and I was maybe a little bit of stability for him. I was just finishing my residency but I had no experience in faith growing up, had never been in a church and he had a bad experience growing up from religion and a little bit of what he saw, a discrepancy between what he heard in church and what he experienced in his home and elsewhere, and so he'd never really had a personal relationship with Christ. 03:39 - Speaker 1And God ambushed me. He ambushed me and shocked us. I mean, in an accident, I was in the back of an ambulance on the way to the hospital and Barry God allowed me to taste eternal death. And in this crisis moment of dying, I cried out in the name of Jesus Christ, please save me. And I, the next morning, came to in a hospital, a new creation. 04:06 - Speaker 2And I was not so happy. 04:08 - Speaker 1She was not digging. 04:10 - Speaker 2Because I had, at that point, my life like Jesus, with Santa Claus and Tooth Fairy, and all of a sudden, my husband, who I had married as the wild and crazy guy who I still love deeply, two years in. He's now, you know, wanting to read the Bible and go to church and he's trying to witness to me, but I just was not receiving it. 04:38 - Speaker 1Our daughters got saved. I mean they came, they got everybody around me. I mean it was like anybody I could tell, Except me, Except she didn't want, like anybody I could tell, except me. Except she didn't want to have anything to do with it. I used to have to hide in our house to read the Bible, so she wouldn't find me reading it and getting mad at me. Oh my goodness, yeah, now I can't keep up with her. 04:56 - Speaker 4Can I say something right quick? There are a lot of people that are wild and crazy and rejecting God and whatever yes, crazy and rejecting God and whatever, and some get saved and some don't. Some God's speaking to all of us. He is, but my view of it is that, without even knowing it, you had a heart for God. There was fertile ground there, yes, and he'll speak to some people in that same situation where they're dying or whatever, and they're still cursing God and going on and paying no attention. But you had this heart within you. God gave you, he did, but God knew that and he had plans for you. He did, he does, because of that. He touched your heart and he orchestrated your lives. Obviously, I mean, it's just. It's a beautiful story. 05:45 - Speaker 2He did. 05:45 - Speaker 4How he takes us from lostness to having the time of our lives. 05:50 - Speaker 1It's great and I can look back now, barry, just what you said, and see my life now from this side, how I was chasing and trying to find him because I was just had this hole inside of me. So I tried with money and fun and activities and all that the world offers and just always left me hungry. And you can look now back and see that he was chasing me and I was searching for him and then he arranged that meeting in the back of an ambulance. 06:22 - Speaker 4Well, and from my perspective, yeah, you're what I call an accident waiting to happen. You know, we've had a lot of conversations about the nudge, how he nudges us to share our faith, and most of those are like, momentarily, I got the person right beside me but some are longer term. Yeah, and I have some chum lines. I call them. You know, when you go deep sea fishing, it's there. Watch out, we're fishers of men, they're on chum and I've been throwing out chum to some of my best friends. Yes, yes, Uh, with, with no return, mm, hmm, yeah, Um, I've Mm-hmm. 07:03Yeah, I've given him my best shot loving, caring when it came up, without offending I never offend anybody, but their heart's so hard, their heart's so hard and they're caught up in their things and their cars and their parties and if they want to go to Europe tomorrow, they can go to Europe tomorrow, right, and that's their God. 07:26 - Speaker 1Yeah. 07:26 - Speaker 4And as much as I've shared the gospel with them over some I haven't once, over 30 years. Yes, and I've told you so many times, I don't want to go to heaven without you. So help me, I do not want to go to heaven without you. I tell a lot of people that, but him emphatically, and I often say to Christians I have car guy friends that are living better lives than most of you. 07:51 - Speaker 2That's so true, they're forgiving. 07:53 - Speaker 4Car guys are very giving people just as a community they're just giving they were. Car guys are very giving people just as a community they're just giving generous, kind people. It's a wonderful community kind of that god, family country kind of crowd right yes, they got that, they got that, they're solid, but that but. 08:08But that's their god and they can't see beyond that. They think that they'll have to give up something. It'd be churchy and like a monk. They don't understand the period. But anyway, I don't want to blur. That's a whole for a whole other side. But the point is you, god was repairing you and you had a heart forgot what you didn't know, but what god was about to do for you. You were hungry for it. 08:31 - Speaker 1Yes, amen, absolutely. And truthfully. 08:36 - Speaker 2what I want to add, barry, is he had praying grandparents and so the one thing in his life, from a young child he heard the word and in this unconscious state you know I'm thinking he's potentially dying. He's unconscious, but he remembered the scripture every knee will bow, every tongue confess. Every knee will bow, every tongue confess. And so the prayers of his grandparents from 30 years ago, just like their friend. The seeds you've planted, you don't know when they will be ripened and watered by our Lord, because he desires that none shall perish. And it may be. When you have the world and worldly things, you don't recognize your need for God. But when you come to an illness, an awareness of your own mortality, then you begin to think about the things of God and the seeds that are planted. And so I believe truthfully, all those seeds will not come back without answered prayer, because Barry McGuire committing to prayer is powerful. 10:06 - Speaker 1The Word of God shall not return void right. 10:08 - Speaker 4Never, never. You know, ben Carson was speaking not about he's a lovely Christian, loves the Lord, but he was speaking something about how the brain works. I was listening to him a few years ago and it really spoke to me. He said, you know, your brain never forgets anything. It remembers everything, the good and the bad, the preaching and the non-preaching. And he said, when we make decisions, we tend to make our decisions based on the sum total of what we've heard. So we have a lot of people around us who've really never heard. I mean, they've heard Jesus and whatever, and they may even believe that Jesus is the Son of God, but they don't understand the gospel and how much he loves them. They don't know that we may be the first person in that process and we think it's not returning, it's just void. 10:58They didn't hear me. They can't get away from it. Here's the point I want to make. They can't escape it, even if they get mad at you, and I never get anybody mad at me, because I'm just telling them God loves them. They don't get mad when you tell them God loves them, but no matter what, if nothing else, they leave me hearing my words. 11:13 - Speaker 2God loves you it is a plan for you. 11:17 - Speaker 4And if only that seed. I know there's no conversation we have with people. That doesn't bring fruit. It may be years later, a lot of conversations later. 11:30 - Speaker 1I just had the privilege of walking across the line. It's a team sport. 11:36 - Speaker 4We get to be a part of that every moment, because everybody around us is on a journey, they're on a journey and we get to move just a little bit closer every day. 11:44 - Speaker 1Move everybody, right, I know you guys love this If we jump in, move everybody every day. 11:50 - Speaker 4Closer to Jesus. 11:51 - Speaker 1Yeah, if we jump in and participate in that journey with others. Jesus, yeah, if we jump in and participate in that journey with others. It's just a beautiful, I mean, and the overwhelming to see someone a friend of ours for almost 30, I mean almost 30 years, who's been in church and been around it and been around us and we've been praying and talking, to come to that point of the end of himself and then crying out and starting to really ask questions and to share the gospel and pray with him. I became so physically incapacitated with emotion that I literally called another friend to make sure we walked through it, because I was overwhelmed with emotion of this journey that I had the privilege to be on. 12:36 - Speaker 4Wow, my pastor here in Arizona, luke Barnett, fabulous pastor. I have Jack Hibbs in California. I go back and forth to two great pastors and Luke preached two Sundays ago, broken or busted. And he said when your butt is like I ago, broken or busted. And he said when your butt is like I do something wrong, busted. I think when you're broken, you're not broken. You're what you just described and it was a share of faith with people. Yeah, we're broken. We're broken for the lives around us that are that are lost. We ache for them. Yes, that's our heart's desire for that. That's what life is all about. That's the only thing we have to do of any eternal significance is ministering to them. Yes and yeah, and hurt for them, and and do it of love, not out of condemnation or superiority. In other words, just no matter. In fact, it's almost more fun when they then they don't look like us, they have perception of us that are different and we love on them. Yeah. 13:49 - Speaker 1They don't know what to do with us. Instead of sharing judgment, share joy. Yeah, you know, instead of hopelessness, share the hope. 13:59 - Speaker 2And because they're looking to us, and I just want to say it can feel intimidating at first sharing your faith, because you know, I know when I started I was like I don't want to do it wrong and perhaps mess this up for someone. Okay, time out. 14:20 - Speaker 4But the truth is— Explain. I want to go into a little more detail. This is important because a lot of people now where you were then. So what kept you from wanting to share your faith? 14:34 - Speaker 2Well, I didn't—I continued to share my faith. Well, I didn't. I continued to share my faith, but I wasn't very successful in terms of outcome. You know, I was sharing my faith with a very kind of strict path of the Romans Road, and it's a great way to share your faith, but I had not been open to the Holy Spirit in terms of what to say, when to say it, and sometimes, you know, I Jesus saves, and I wouldn't have to say anything, but the gift of God really teaching me and stripping me of all the things that I needed to be taken from me and my identity fully in Christ. 15:32 - Speaker 1Because she's a doctor, you know it's a checklist, right? So she was doing it mechanically. 15:36 - Speaker 2I literally had a list of who. 15:38 - Speaker 4I shared with Intellectually, but this is not an intellectual exercise. 15:43 - Speaker 1What did you call it? The Gestapo gospel? She used to want to slam them across the goal line. 15:48 - Speaker 2I called it the Gestapo gospel because everybody heard it. But God really revealed to me in a time of suffering how it was not me that was saving them, it is Christ that is saving them. And for those that are out there that are like thinking you have to say the right words. Trust the Lord. Just say something, even if it's can I pray for you and listen to the Holy Spirit and He'll give you the words and He'll begin to show you the fruit. 16:29 - Speaker 4And that's for us, it's amazing. That is it. That's where you have intimacy with God. It's not a sales pitch, folks. 16:35 - Speaker 2It's not a sales pitch, that's right. 16:37 - Speaker 4Mark 13, 11 actually says don't prepare. We've been told to memorize and get all this stuff. He says don't prepare. Even better, luke 12, 12 says the Holy Spirit, get this folks. The Holy. You just said it. I'm just giving you a scripture to back it up. The Holy. 16:52Spirit will give you the word to say when you need them yes and so. It's not about you can't possibly prepare what people are going to say to you. You can't, you just can't. And so you love on people. Here's how it works, right quick. You love on people. They sense your love is real. The Holy Spirit is there before you, affirming your love is real. They open up. I mean oftentimes within five minutes a complete stranger will open up and tell you their deepest needs. It's amazing how fast that operates. And then you don't have to say, oh, let's see what scripture or whatever. You just love on them and the Holy Spirit supernaturally gives you the words. He brings scriptures to you, to your remembrance, that you've forgotten, and it's a spiritual experience. So when you stop trying to control it, that's where the fear is. 17:43Satan stops us from sharing our faith out of fear. That's his main weapon against us is fear. If he keeps you in fear, you don't have faith, and without faith it's impossible to please God. So he has a church isolated. There's about 10% of us, about 30 million people in the United States, that are Bible-believing, jesus-following believers, but almost all are living in fear. The studies say that they're coming out now living in fear, so fear of not being able to share, fear of not saying the right words. That's Satan. He's trying to convince you. You can't, and you can't do it and you can't. 18:24That's why you don't have to, you just love the experience folks I got to tell you the first time you experienced the, the, the, the whole thing of the Holy Spirit speaking through you and all of a sudden you're speaking scriptures you haven't even thought of for years and you're quoting them verbatim. You know what I'm talking about, absolutely. That's exciting. 18:48 - Speaker 3And you know God is using you. 18:51 - Speaker 4It's intimacy with God. And Isaiah 43.10, here's why I appoint you as my witness, so that you'll believe and he didn't say so you'll believe more. He says this is how you believe and know and understand that I am God, because there's no other experience in our human experience that allows us to understand and have the flow of the Holy Spirit manifesting, coming through us and speaking through us and changing lives in front of us. There's nothing like it in the world. 19:21 - Speaker 2And that's the experience we're trying to share with you. 19:23 - Speaker 4If you haven't done it yet. You're missing out on what it means to be a Christian. You really are. This is what being a Christian is all about, what these folks are saying, just for the gentleness of their hearts and God has led them along this path. And quite frankly, I'll just say one more quick thing. I want to hear you speak, but I say it's like shooting baskets. Don't expect to be a great faith sharer the first time you do it. You can't be great at anything the first time you do it, unless you totally rely on the Holy Spirit. Then it happens pretty quickly. But I liken it to shooting baskets. You know you can be a lousy, not a basketball player, uncorrected. But if you work out long enough, pretty soon you start switching them. Yeah. 20:02 - Speaker 1But you know what? 20:03 - Speaker 4From that very first experience you're in the game and as bad as we were when we first started back in 1973, we made all kinds of mistakes, but there was always fruit. We always left an impact, Even in spite of our naivety and trying to get our own strength. There was fruit that was being planted. We could see that in people's lives, so it's your experience is so wonderful and let me just say your experience is so wonderful. I want to go back to you. I'm talking too much. You're my guest. 20:33No, no, you're living it, you're living your life as an expression of what we often talk about here. 20:40 - Speaker 1But living with others and talking about sharing the gospel, it encourages you to go share it more. And then, when you share it and you realize you know, I know I'm ill-equipped, I know, walking up I'm ill-equipped, but just the opening of the mouth with the heart of sharing Jesus Christ, the supernatural takes place. And then you walk away with your faith so much bigger, so blown away by what God just did. Because you know, when you walk up, you don't even know what to say, you don't know what to do. Is this person going to slap me, scream at me, yell at me? The Uber driver is going to think I'm a freak. And then, all of a sudden, they start warming up and the Uber driver is crying when we get out at the airport, hugging us and showing pictures of the family and we're worshiping the Lord, saved or not saved. It is amazing when you do that, amazing. 21:35 - Speaker 2And I just want to say for us, like in our entire marriage life, our evenings, when we come home at the end of the day, the most exciting days are like when we actually see Christ walk someone across the line and we get to be there. 21:55 - Speaker 1We get to be there. 21:56 - Speaker 2There's nothing in our worldly experience that surpasses. And I also want to say everyone has a personal testimony and oftentimes our personal testimony is the entry door of explaining who we were and who we became Only because of Christ and not because of anything we deserve or still deserve, and people want to know. It's just grace. 22:35 - Speaker 3Yeah. 22:35 - Speaker 2And God loves them. And that speaks to all peoples, no matter where they come from, is they want to be loved. 22:47 - Speaker 1Yeah, and especially when they see you as they think you've this, you know this Christian and everything's great and y'all just this life. And then you start asking them about their life and you start talking with them about, and then they realize you're a broken person, that without Jesus is just a total mess, a total wreck without Jesus. And it's Jesus. And so if anything you see good or if anything you see calm or peace or love or joy, it's Jesus, because we know who. We were before him. And she can't deny what God's done in my life and I cannot deny what God's done in her life and that is so affirming to each other in marriage. But she's right, but she's right. We high five at the end of the day, when God gives us the pleasure of not just sharing the gospel. Then someone receiving the gospel and you know a new creation, walked away from that conversation. Hallelujah, hallelujah. 23:50 - Speaker 4Amen, we're running out of time here. Can you guys do another podcast with us? Well, we'd love to. Can you guys do another podcast with us? 23:56 - Speaker 2Well, we'd love to. 23:58 - Speaker 1As long as anything with you. You had us at. Hello, barry McGuire, we love you, and Karen, y'all are amazing, because we didn't even get to get into the details of sharing with mechanics and talking through. 24:13 - Speaker 4It's kind of fun because people look at, we're entrepreneurs, okay, I mean, we've done some stuff and we've generated some money. We have things, and there's an awful lot of people that lust for what we have and think that's our success and don't realize to us it's meaningless. That's right, except that we can use it for God. He gives us more. You know it's meaningless, except that we can use it for God. He gives us more. He trusts us. If he could trust you with some things, he would trust you with more things. 24:43And now he's given us more than any of us had ever expected, but we're using it for His glory. We're using it to give us a better opportunity, a larger territory to proclaim His name. In the end, take it all away from us. Folks, our joy is the same, our joy is not in our stuff. I know we're going to talk about that in our next podcast. Okay, so come back and see us next time and for now, see you later. 25:11 - Speaker 3If you enjoyed today's episode, let us know, and don't forget to subscribe, rate and review to help us reach more listeners. Remember sharing your faith ignites your faith. See you next time on the Ignite with Barry McGuire podcast.